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[Jun. 19th, 2006|12:55 pm]
ps3vsxbox360

ps3vsxbox360

[crazylikezaxon]
though i am a ps fan, i really hope that the new generation will rely on story rather than flashy graphics. i mean, damn, three processing cores each will be enough power to do anything that the imagination can come up with, i just hope that the imagination will be good enough. also, does anyone know if ps3 will come directly equipped with blu-ray or if we'll have to wait for a blu-ray add on like the hd-dvd drive for the 360?
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[User Picture]From: enigmaburn007
2006-06-20 06:44 am (UTC)
really, the issue is still the same, can ps3 release with a killer app, or are they gonna flop like Atari Jaguar? Right now, its too early to tell, but I think taht the Revolution might be the suprise hit. (I refuse to call it "Wii." Absolutely fucking refuse to.)
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[User Picture]From: crazylikezaxon
2006-06-20 07:45 am (UTC)
i hope beyond hope that these systems never come out, i just had an amazing three hour conversation with four other people about the next generation and the suspense and anticipation are almost the best part. honestly, when the 360 came out, i just didn't care.
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[User Picture]From: enigmaburn007
2006-06-20 09:16 pm (UTC)
oh, i know. its kinda the same reason people are still waiting for Duke Nukem Forever...they can't wait, and by forcing them to wait, you make it seem like its an awesome system. That's why Christmas presents are the best.
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[User Picture]From: erulehto
2006-06-21 10:48 am (UTC)
I do think the PS3 is going to flop big time. It's way too expensive. When it comes down to it, if a game comes out on all 3 systems it'll break down like this: PS3 will look great and cost like 70 bucks cuz of blu ray, XBox will look the same as PS3 and cost 55 bucks. Wii will look decent but allow a new level of control and cost 50 bucks.

PS3 = dead in the water. The don't have many good games that will be their system only. They have Final Fantasy... but whos really been excitied about that since FF10.

(by the way Wii is an awesome name. They names it that so it was easily pronouncable in any langauge.)
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[User Picture]From: enigmaburn007
2006-06-21 05:25 pm (UTC)
I think the PS3 will do very well if FFXIII is a launch, along with a few other games. Final Fantasy is Sony's best selling developer and I think that Xbox360 will have a hell of a time trying to beat Sony until Halo 3 comes out. Then, all bets are off. Part of the trend in the industry right now is Propiertary games, games paid for, and released for single platforms. I don't think we'll see too much of cross-platform games anymore due the higher cost of developing for 3 consoles with wildly different specs and abilities.
(And I still don't give two shits, Wii is a retarded name. Revolution implied that they were going to change the industry forever.)
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[User Picture]From: crazylikezaxon
2006-06-21 07:00 pm (UTC)
that's right, porting is kinda not gonna be as easy. i mean, have you seen the screen shots between the ps2 vesion and the gamecube version of resident evil 4? the gamecube slapped the ps2 around, but now that there are going to be three different platforms and two different control styles, i have to agree
agressive and constant porting= dead as a door nail
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[User Picture]From: enigmaburn007
2006-06-21 07:02 pm (UTC)
Thats why I think the PS3 is going to do well. I think that porting is dead, and "cults" for various games will develop and influence the sales of a console alot more than the past.
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[User Picture]From: crazylikezaxon
2006-06-21 07:27 pm (UTC)
i do have to say, though, that the ps2 is the most bought console right now. it's number one by a longshot and i don't think that the ps3 will do the same. i think the number, over all, will be lower and i think that the gap between them all will be smaller too.
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[User Picture]From: enigmaburn007
2006-06-21 07:29 pm (UTC)
i doubt it. fanboys will be like omg re5 omg ffxiii omg gtaVI...theyll buy it because of those games, not for performance specs.
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[User Picture]From: crazylikezaxon
2006-06-21 06:56 pm (UTC)
This is only in matters of numbers of units sold and sellable:
honestly, though, what does the xbox have? by having an expensive system, yes they are shooting themselves in the foot, but i haven't EVER wanted to play a single game that has ever been on the xbox except fable. yes, ps3 will only have final fantasy, but that beats the hell out of halo. not to mention, also, that ps3 and wii are going to have extensive libraries in their back catalogue, and i know what you're thinking "who buys a new systme to play old games" well, i still play final fantasy tactics and seven. you've also got the god of war team and the shadow of the collossus teams that are sony exclusive and you've also got (probably) the third kingdom hearts and (hopefully) the fifth resident evil. not to mention that each system has pretty much carved out its own niche:
xbox (and 360)- for pc type, fp style attempts at realism. (fable, halo, oblivion, and they are prolly gonna do something with black and white and spore)
playstations- almost completely console based with heavy into upper tier console games anf fantasy and rpgs
and of course
wii-will do the funner, cheaper games.
i know you prolly already know all of this but if you really think about it, there will be people like me who have no need for the xbox and will just get the next gen of what i've already got in the sony and nintendo.
ps3=not dead, probably loses some ground, but definatly not dead.
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[User Picture]From: enigmaburn007
2006-06-21 07:05 pm (UTC)
Hmm, I don't think those niches are entirely correct, since the Wii wont be as backwards compatible as we think. PS3 is the best so far, because they've stated that as long as the PSX and PS2 games meet the TRC, PS3 will support them. Xbox360 can only do certain games, and from what I understand the Wii is the same thing. But don't forget one thing, MS loses money on the unit, but gets money on license fees.
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[User Picture]From: crazylikezaxon
2006-06-21 07:39 pm (UTC)
how are my niches not correct? Xbox has proven itself time and again as being really focused towards PC aesthetic and PC games. Playstation has had less PC interchangablity but has concole only games like God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Grand Theft Auto and Final Fantasy, all upper tier, higher age range games all the while gamecube has had really family focused gaming like marion baseball, mario DDR, mario soccer, mario party as well as animal crossing and Metroid Prime. An interesting note on metroid for gamecube: the creator of it said that it is not an FPS, but and FPA (first person adventure) and all my pc gamer friends agree. it doesn't play like a first person shooter in the same way the Counter strike, Half life and Call of duty (which is another PC/XboX game).

and as far as backwards compatability goes, you're right. there won't be real and thorough backwards compatability, but at least i'll be able to play earthbound and star tropics.
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[User Picture]From: crazylikezaxon
2006-06-21 09:48 pm (UTC)
you're basically saying everything that i am saying just wording it differently and throwing in some online play. i think you and i are in complete agreement, just coming at the same conclusion with different mindsets.
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[User Picture]From: enigmaburn007
2006-06-21 09:51 pm (UTC)
Possibly. I'm looking at it more of what the consoles offer to the community in general...such as online play or a strong RPG enviroment, or in Nintendo's case, "Category: Other" games.
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[User Picture]From: enigmaburn007
2006-06-21 08:55 pm (UTC)
You forget that alot of the games you mentioned, except for nintendo, were almost all released on PC also. PS2 is becoming more of the RPG platform, considering that many of its best sellers are RPGS. Xbox is the console geared more towards online play. I give you the popularity of Xbox Online versus Sony's version. That is the difference.
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[User Picture]From: crazylikezaxon
2006-06-21 09:49 pm (UTC)
:)
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[User Picture]From: enigmaburn007
2006-06-21 09:52 pm (UTC)
You know, I am online on AIM. You're welcome to im me with your thoughts.
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[User Picture]From: erulehto
2006-06-23 10:48 am (UTC)
I don't know about you two but I've been dissapointed in Sqaure Enix and the Final Fantasy series lately. Taking years to realeas FFXII, making a FF MMO (which I liked but it shouldn't have been 11 it should have been another name and they should have given us a real FF game to play) not to mention the horrible game known as X-2. We need to see how XII is. If it sucks, as I felt the demo did, the PS3 is in for a lot of trouble.

But here's the reason I think PS3 is F*cked. Hironobu Sakaguchi. Creator of Final Fantasy has left Square and is now making two RPGS for XBOX360. Sony is hurting.
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[User Picture]From: crazylikezaxon
2006-06-23 05:28 pm (UTC)
mistwalker studios. i know i know, but baten kaitos was made monolithsoft and monolithsoft was a company composed (at least in part) of former square enix employees. i dunno, it just seems to me that Playstation has along fall ahead of them before they really hit bottom, but i do have reaffirm my previous statement: i think fewer people will buy the playstation three and i do think the gap between the three systems will narrow.
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[User Picture]From: erulehto
2006-06-25 05:38 pm (UTC)
I do agree with you. It is going to be a long fall, and it surely won't happen within the next two gens of consoles. I'm just soooo angry 'cause sony was dominating. They had a firm grip on the market in the US and they were the market in Japan. Sony you could have ended XBox with one final crushing blow! Insted you.... I don't know, but it was bad.
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[User Picture]From: crazylikezaxon
2006-06-25 05:49 pm (UTC)
believe it or not, if you look at sonycorps. history, they innovated as well, in the field of electronics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony#Sony_Electronics.27_notable_products_and_technologies
if you notice the betamax http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax#The_legacy_of_Betamax
you'll see that sony kind of has a history of creating not bad products but keeping them proprietary, which leads the way to their downfall. nintendo has revolutionized since day one with the optical gun and the pre-ddr nintendo footpad and virtual boy. actually, the only one not REALLY innovating here is microsoft, all they're doing is brining over their computer jibber jabber into the home console market. i have even heard that if you splice the wires from an xbox controller into a usb and then plug it into a pc that's running windows, windows will recognize the xbox controller. so blu-ray and nunchuck wii controllers don't phase me, and to be honest, it all goes down in price eventually.
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[User Picture]From: enigmaburn007
2006-06-23 06:38 pm (UTC)
Well, hmm. I wouldn't say hurting because one developer left. Though I admit that he is a critical piece of the development team for Square-Enix, his loss will be abosrbed into the company. This might lead to a new direction in the Final Fantasy series. For instance, X-2, though admittedly not a great game by my standards either, it still sold over 5 million copies worldwide, which is over 60% of the sales for FFX. You need to remember the lesson of John Romero and Daikatana. Just because he's a great developer for a company, doesn't mean he'll do a great job with his company. It is possible that the reason Final Fantasy games did so well is not because of him, but because of the development team. Just remember that a demo doesn't mean shit. Demos are a company's way of saying "This what we think you like.", and if a demo is badly recieved, the company might go back and revise the game to make it more what consumers want to buy. They did it for my game, and I know they do it for others.
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[User Picture]From: crazylikezaxon
2006-06-23 07:09 pm (UTC)
what's "your game"?
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[User Picture]From: enigmaburn007
2006-06-23 07:10 pm (UTC)
I worked with EA Tiburon on AFL. I was an online tester for the Xbox version of it, and I also knew alot of the developers and QA testers for Madden 360, Fight Night, Head Coach, and NASCAR.
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